Thursday, September 21, 2006

Dinosaurs and Humans? Oh No!

The belief that dinosaurs and humans could have lived at the same time is an idea that has been kept alive past its time. The evidence for human and dinosaur co-existence seems to be:
  1. Biblical references to behemoth and leviathan, assumed to be actual creatures and dinosaurs,
  2. Literary references to dragons (said dragons assumed to be dinosaurs),
  3. Cave paintings believed to depict dinosaurs contemporary with the humans who drew them, and
  4. Human and dinosaur footprints in the same rock.
Arguing against humans and dinosaur’s having co-existed:
  1. The plants and animals found with dinosaurs are not the same plants and animals found with humans (not even close). No modern plants or animals have been found with dinosaurs, for example, and no plants or animals found with dinosaurs have been found with human remains.
  2. Dinosaurs and humans are not found in the same strata. For example, in Kansas, dinosaurs can be found in the remains of a shallow sea, while people are found in the remains of a vast plain. Note that the biblical references to behemoth and leviathan refer to these creatures as being alive in the author’s lifetime, so they all could not have died off pre-flood.
  3. Unlike other extinct creatures that humans interacted with (the mammoth, for instance), there are no artifacts demonstrating interaction. We have found mammoth bones scored by spears, charred bones of mammoths in trash heaps, carved mammoth tusks, etc. There have been no such finds involving dinosaurs.
  4. Ancients ran across dinosaur fossils as well, and tales of large creatures could easily have come from these bones – just as our dinosaur stories in our popular culture have. Furher, dragons don't actually look or act much like dinosaurs (except that they are both large).
  5. The Bible's references to dinosaurs? There isn't any. The Bible refers to creatures known to the readers - and we have no evidence that dinosaurs lived with people (remember the evidence for human-mammoth interaction - and this is in pre-literate, pre-historic cultures; by the times of the Bible, we are dealing with literate cultures where we would have every reason to expect dinosaurs to show up, just like bears, lions, locusts and a host of other clearly identifiable animals do, in paintings, in literature, in "scientific" treatises, etc.).
  6. The claims of human footprints found in the same rock with dinosaurs have turned out to be made in error. Even a quick Google of the subject puts the claims to rest (sure, some people still support the idea, but there is no substantive evidence - none at all).
Notice how these points have nothing to do with the age of the earth or evolution. Of course, when you place humans and dinosaurs in their proper timeframes (tens of millions of years apart) it is obvious that they never co-existed. When you compare the kind of plants that existed during the reign of the dinosaurs with the vegetation human's evolved around, it is clear that a large span of time separates us from dinosaurs. Even setting these arguments aside, however, there is simply no basis on which to conclude that humans and dinosaurs ever met face-to-face.

There is a big difference between explaining how something could be true, and actually looking at the evidence we have, and concluding it actually IS true. You can believe that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time only if you look at a small sub-section of the evidence, and present that sub-section in the best possible light. Look at all the evidence, and subject that evidence to critical thinking, and you realize that people and dinosaurs never met.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

The author appears to have little knowledge, in particular about the Bible's reference to dinosaurs. I am dumbfounded by the need for those who believe (religiously - by faith) in a "theory." This world is all of ours. We all have the need to investigate it and come to our own conclusions. There is supported evidence (for now) of the evolutionists and there is also supported evidence of the creationists. Why the anger in the evolutionists attempts to forcibly conform our minds to something that cannot be confirmed to be true. We have opposing viewpoints and the search continues...

Greg Myers said...

I am not aware of any evidence for dinosaurs and humans living at the same time (that is, there is NO evidence that such a thing happened). These are not two opposing theories of human-dinosaur interaction - there is an assertion by creationists that it is so, and then there are the facts as we have discovered them:
- no human bones have been found in the same strata as dinosaurs (pointing to vastly different time periods).
- the flora and fauna found with dinosaurs are significantly different than the flora and fauna found with humans (for example, no birds found with dinosaurs, lots of birds found with humans).
- creatures (including dinosaurs) appear and disappear over time in the geologic record - not jumbled together as if they existed and were destroyed together. In fact, it is impossible to read the geologic record to support creationism or flood geology.

Compare this with another extinct creature - the wholly mammoth. We have decorated mammoth tusks, huts made of mammoth bones, pictures of humans hunting mammoths... mammoth bones with butcher marks, in human camps. Why nothing like this for dinosaurs? Because they lived tens of millions of years apart!

If you want to claim that a particular reading of the Bible compels you to affirm that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time (and not just humans and dinosaurs, but extinct creatures from several billion to tens of million of years ago all shared the year with humans), then you should at least be honest and adopt the following:

"I choose to believe that numerous extinct creatures, though buried in separate geologically distinct strata and never found together, and though they are buried with distinct (and extinct) vegetation, never-the-less lived together at the same time, and at the same time as humans and all other modern creatures. I choose to believe this even though there is no fossil, genetic or any other evidence to support my belief."

To argue that this kind of faith is on par with accepting the evidence for evolution and an old earth is simply not tenable. One is based solely on a particular reading of Genesis 1, whereas evolution is the result of hundreds of years of research, spanning multiple scientific disciplines, all converging to support the same conclusions: the earth is old, and all life on earth emerged, over time, via evolution, from common ancestors.

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